Can I introduce you to my new hyperfixation
Lmao and I am just as obsessed with the series now as I was a year ago
I’m really not a Eurovision person but my patriotic gesture this year will be to get snobby at everyone who compares Barbara Pravi to Edith Piaf (be it to praise or dismiss her) when her main influence, both in her writing style and musically, is obviously “The” Barbara :
Though she’s not as famous as Piaf abroad, she’s just as much of an institution here and one of the best songwriters ever. She wrote amazing song after amazing song and I really wish more people would listen to her music because she’s a badass I love her very much.
Here’s one she wrote about returning to the farm she had to hide in as a jewish kid during WWII
Here’s one about finding out her father was on his death’s bead
To all my followers who are citizens of the EU and of voting age, please consider signing and sharing this EU citizens’ initiative requesting that the European Commission stop upholding intellectual property rights regarding COVID vaccines and treatments and make them a public good instead.
In order for the European Commission to read these proposals this initiative needs a lot more people signing that it has now, so every person counts.
Please reblog if you support this. Likes don’t mean much on this hellsite, and they especially mean nothing for this sort of thing!
AND THEN, instead of saying that to my face, HE blocked me :D
I could only see this reply through my other account. Let’s appreciate its beauty before moving on forever :
- Asks me to delete his own post(??)
- Calls someone a loser for blocking them for something I know nothing about (literally, I don’t know who they’re talking about, it seems they beefed with literally everyone of this website)
- Accuses me of defending psychiatric institution, something I ALSO went through personally and had every right to talk about
- Accuses me of making his post about France… about France ?
- Calls France as a whole deranged perverts
- Freud is there because reasons
So obviously I’m not deleting anything. You can’t just appropriate shit up and then throw a fit when someone calls you out. As a final note, I find it extremely sad that this person specializes in French history yet clearly despises France. Everyone else, whether you choose to keep listening to them is up to you.
Oh and Antoine, if you’re somehow reading this, don’t bother looking for my other account, I have no desire to interact with you or your posts any further. It’s only fair that I checked this one since instead of telling me this face to face or simply blocking me (which I would absolutely respect), you chose to make it look like you were telling me off when in fact you blocked me, meaning I couldn’t even see this post. Normally I would let this slide, I don’t care about your posturing, but that was one lie too many.
And now, as I said, moving on forever.
France, are you teaching and showing the erotic writing on a woman scene from Les liaisons dangereuses to children aged 12-14?
Oh yea I remember that, twas fun ! Turns out when handled well, eroticism in literature is just one theme among others. We just acknowledged it and moved on. Obviously there’s a lot to say about France’s culture around sexuality, but I genuinely think the way our education system approaches it is well thought out. We use the medium of school to de-mystify the topic and lay some important distinctions. In Les Liaisons dangereuses for example, we use the erotic writing scene to contrast with the relationship between Valmont and Cécile and highlight how abusive it is. And then we went on to discuss how in this book sex is used as a tool of power. At the end of the day I’d rather be shown a woman’s naked body at age 13 and understand consent and power imbalance than have teachers try to frantically hide anything even remotely sexual from me well into adolescence.
I don't know who you are but no, it's not "interesting", it's traumatic. This is my post. Delete this.
1) We have interacted many times before. We discussed in private messages for months.
2) You are talking about an experience you didn’t have. You didn’t have to read Les Liaisons dangereuses in middle school. I did. You are criticizing something you didn’t experience. You had a horrible traumatic experience which you link to the way literature is taught to people that are not you, in a country that is not yours. You are the one appropriating someone else’s personal experience and making it about what you went through. You are the one making a post about other people’s life, and then someone shows up and says what this experience was actually like, and you tell them to shut up. If you want to make an argument about what should or shouldn’t be shown to children, I’m all for hearing it, but don’t think you can brandish my experience and say “this is horrible” and then get offended when *I* show up to say it wasn’t.
3) The scene you are talking about is not pornography. It’s literally just the back of a naked woman. That you find this objectionable says more about you than the french education system.
4) You “””quote””” me saying studying this was “interesting”, a word I didn’t use one in my post, which makes me think you didn’t care to actually read what I said.
P.S. You didn’t make a post about being traumatized. You made a post about french students reading a certain book in middle school. Then a french student showed up and said reading that book was fun. Then you got offended. Explain to me how that works. Or in fact, don’t. I’m done here.
P.P.S. You say you find it distasteful that i only interacted with this post of yours. Not everything is about you. I don’t owe you regular interaction. I reacted to this post because this post was about something I directly experienced. Also not that it matters but I reacted to one of your posts literally last week. I’ve been barely active for months because I got tired of the obvious lack of nuance and bad faith actors on this site. But thank you for reminding me exactly why I semi-left.
France, are you teaching and showing the erotic writing on a woman scene from Les liaisons dangereuses to children aged 12-14?
Oh yea I remember that, twas fun ! Turns out when handled well, eroticism in literature is just one theme among others. We just acknowledged it and moved on. Obviously there’s a lot to say about France’s culture around sexuality, but I genuinely think the way our education system approaches it is well thought out. We use the medium of school to de-mystify the topic and lay some important distinctions. In Les Liaisons dangereuses for example, we use the erotic writing scene to contrast with the relationship between Valmont and Cécile and highlight how abusive it is. And then we went on to discuss how in this book sex is used as a tool of power. At the end of the day I’d rather be shown a woman’s naked body at age 13 and understand consent and power imbalance than have teachers try to frantically hide anything even remotely sexual from me well into adolescence.
The violent gilets jaunes protests with another victory
Maybe we should have a series of violent protests in the UK so they close down Eton
Ngl he’s announced he was closing ENA so many times by now I sort of thought this had become a “closing Gitmo”-type inside joke but this appears to be actually in the works, I find it funny that the only reform Macron did that the people actually wanted was the one that allowed him to close the door on the superhighway to power he himself used
auguralsanguinary-deactivated20 asked:
Being an anti has nothing to do with your stances on shipping minors/adults or anything like that. An anti is someone who will either outright attack someone for shipping something or goes into a ship tag that they don’t approve of and either put hate there or something nsfw imagery. Essentially if your a ship and let ship person, nmw u ship ur not an anti, but if u deliberately go after peeps who ship ur NOTP and attack them an stuff, ur an anti. Idk if u care but I just thought I’d clear it up
vampireapologist-archive-deacti answered:
Okay but I’m not ship and let ship when it involves minor/adult pairings. Minor/adult ships are my NOTP and I do think minor/adult pairings and the people producing that content should be actively shamed out of fandom spaces so. by definition if that makes me an anti I’m cool with that.
I don’t know if this is deliberate or not, but I really want to call attention to the way this is worded to make it look like people who ship inherently unacceptable pairings are the goods guys who are victims of unprovocated attacks.
People who ignore pedophilic ships are the good guys. “Ship and let ship,” no matter what. They believe we can all coexist in the same fandom space and have a good time.
But the people who are actively against pedophilic, incestuous, etc ships and who seek out the adults producing that content? Those are “antis,” the bad guys.
And then the genius of it is that the “anti” label is also used for people who ARE actually just plain old jerks and who attack people just because they’re shipping something that IS innocent that they don’t like.
So the word used to label people against pedophilia is also used for people who are being mean for no reason, thus grouping them together and making it possible to invalidate the first group.
“OP is an anti.” People who understand anti to mean “attacks people who don’t agree with their ships” will understandably think “wow, OP is a jerk!” And they may not look any further and discover OP actually only actively shames people who ship pedophilia, incest, etc.
These same people use excuses such as mental illness, their own history of abuse, etc. to argue that they cannot be shamed for their content, because it’s discrimination against them.
They are using concepts of social justice and bigotry to their advantage to rearrange the situation so that they are the victims.
So actually let’s stop calling people against minor/adult shipping content “antis” and just call them “Correct.”
People are really like “: ( oh I have to unfollow you now.”
Good! If you disagree with what I’ve said here, unfollow me. You are Not going to win me over. No argument about how fiction does or doesn’t affect the real world, no link to some post about shipping as coping mechanisms, and nothing you have to say is going to change my mind on this.
I am not going to have a civil discussion with you about why you think it’s okay to ship incest, adult/minors, pedophilia, etc. If you think that makes me unreasonable, I am okay with that.
Not to sound petty and stuck-up, but I have a larger platform than your weird “pedophilia shipping is ok” fanblog will ever have, and I am more than happy to use it to make this opinion known, and I will not miss you. I don’t even check my follower count anymore. I will not notice you leave. You’re not the winner. Thank you.
I never comment on anything ever, but I felt the need to here. My degree is in criminal justice, specializing in cyber crimes against children. I’ve taken many courses that involve the study of pedophilia. This narrative around “antis” is another way to normalize pedophilia. There are real, true consequences to producing art depicting adult/minor relationships. A common tactic pedophiles use to “grow” their communities, particularly on the dark net, is by finding people in pedophilic-sympathetic communities and getting in touch with them to recruit them to their own spaces where they share child abuse material. By creating, sharing, and spreading art depicting adult/minor abuse (under the guise of a “ship”) you are creating child abuse material, and a safe space for abusers. You are creating a space for these “recruiters” to find and you’re making it easier for them to grow their communities.
I don’t want to hear anything about “well maybe if they look at cp they won’t offend against a real child” It’s like putting drugs in an addict’s face. It doesn’t work like that. It makes it worse, and intensifies their urges. If you DONT want them to offend, don’t cultivate spaces where they feel accepted and welcome. This is how they begin the process of justification. They justify their abuse in their head by saying things like “the kid wanted it” “they like it too” and when you depict relationships with children and adults where the CHILD seems like they are ENJOYING it, you are reinforcing their beliefs that if they touch a child they won’t be traumatized.
If these ships are how you cope with your own abuse, I implore you to seek a different form of therapy. I say this as someone who used to believe the same thing. I remember being 10-13 shipping these kinds of things because I did not realize it was a way for me to rationalize and convince myself that my abuse wasn’t truly abuse and I somehow could have consented. But as someone who is in their 20s now, I am telling you to please reconsider what you are consuming for content because it ends up stunting the healing process. Please seek a different form of solace, you don’t realize the damage it is doing yet. If you’re someone who creates this art, please reconsider now that you’re aware of the real world harm. I’m sure not everyone who makes this art realizes that the space they’re cultivating could be a breeding ground for abuse, but now that you know please reconsider the art you create and share.
Thank you @pastelpinkette for this great insight. I see a lot of discussion of this topic on my dash, and I always struggle to put into words why it bothers me from a legal standpoint and I’ve never weighed on this topic because as someone who has never been a victim of csa and who’s never been a part of the shipping scene, I didn’t feel legitimate commenting on it, but this cleared up a few things for me.
But if you’ll allow me to add another legal point : I really think we are missing a step in this discussion. Because essentially, there seems to be a definition problem here. Whenever I see people use the word “ship”, I always wonder : well, what does that mean ? The problem here for me is that under the “ship” moniker, we are conflating widely different degrees of involvement in fostering a dangerous and predatory network.
If you boil down what seems to be the “pro” argument, it would be “well, it’s my freedom of speech to ship whatever I want, plus it’s a coping mecanism”, and I would like to seriously consider that argument by deconstructing it.
- first, we should be clear that if “ship” means “enjoying thinking about such and such ““““relationship”“““ (fully objectionable otherwise we wouldn’t be here), then obviously there is nothing “wrong” with that in the sense that thought crime doesn’t exist and while entertaining such thoughts is most definitely hurting you (as Pinkette explained), it’s ONLY hurting you. You’re not doing anything criminal, and yes, people are allowed to have horrible coping mecanisms. It’s incredibly sad and shouldn’t happen, but that’s not really for anyone else to object to aside from your therapist.
- but that’s not really what “anti’ are objecting to, is it. “Pros” have shifted the discussion onto “shipping” meaning the soliloquial act of enjoying certain things and creating certain content, but that’s not what the core discussion is about. This isn’t about “ship and let ship” in a vacuum. It’s about SHARING and DISSEMINATING expressions of this thing. If you’re making pedophilic “art” in your bedroom and never showing it to a living soul, I’m not gonna congratulate you, but also there’s no reason I should be able to stop you. The problem is that “shipping” is clearly largely not a solitary activity. Shipping is sharing and disseminating such content, and fostering a community. And that’s where creating such content stops meaning only hurting yourself, which is your right, despite being sad, and starts being a felony.
This is a distinction the law very acutely makes. 18 US code §2252 makes it a federal offense to
- produce with intention to distribute
- knowingly receive or distribute
- possess with intent to sell
- knowingly access or possess
any visual depiction of pornography involving children that has circulated online. The law is about similar in France. That should make it clear that the law isn’t concerned with what you do with your free time. The law intervenes at the precise moment your “enjoying” of such content becomes a cog in the circulation of such content, because inevitably, that’s the moment such content will risk causing harm to others. That’s the law’s job.
(Side-note : i’m not qualified in us law, so I couldn’t find similar provisions concerning non-visual depictions, but this is about illustrating an ethical debate with a legal standpoint anyway. If someone more qualified can add to this, much appreciated.)
- and that’s also where discussion of the “motive” should come in. It breaks my heart if some people genuinely think this is a coping mecanism, but also I should point out that your motive has no place in this discussion. In the digital world, content doesn’t come with an asterisk explaining why and how such content can ethically be enjoyed. Your motive is irrelevant. What matters is the effect. And the effect is that the more people creating and share this sort of content, the more the risk increases that such content will end up directly causing harm to someone.
So that’s really what it boils down to, imo : as @vampireapologist said, “pros” have shifted the debate on a field it has no place being. The problem with “shipping” isn’t what individual people do or don’t enjoy, it’s that the major part of “shipping” isn’t “enjoying” specific content, it’s about sharing and disseminating such content. Child pornography isn’t protected by free speech. This isn’t about self-expression. This is about fostering an online environment that is ripe for the abuse, trafficking, and exploitation of children.
I’m going to say something that fellow “antis” might get on my case for : I don’t think enjoying objectionable content makes you a bad person. Human psychology is complicated, so is human relationship to fiction. On that topic, I recommend everyone to view this Dan Olson video on the 50 shades of grey controversy. But if you do think you are enjoying this content for “defendable” motives, and not just appropriating the language of therapy, then you should be able to see that your particular motives should only ever be second to the real harm your particular way of coping is causing. You should be able to understand your need for solace in balance with the way your behaviour might cause others to end up with the same pain you are suffering from. And if you can’t do that… well, there is a word for people who cannot stop themselves from producing, sharing, viewing and disseminating pedophilic content despite being aware of its fundamental immorality.
rubynye asked:
I came to your Tumblr to thank you for injecting nuance and intelligence into a particular discussion and then found that you make a practice of doing so in general. So thank you lots and lots for doing so!
Well thank you, I’m touched !! I was a bit embarrassed looking at the new followers I gained with this last post, because I’m not exactly active right now (I’m hardcore focusing on my masters’ thesis atm) and I really don’t follow any kind of ethos with this blog and I certainly don’t mean to be lecturing people, I just try to talk honestly about whatever catches my attention. It’s only really the combination of immigration law and disinformation that makes me lose my shit to the point I have to drop everything to make a post (my #lawstuff tag is basically nothing but rants at this point). But if people gain something from it, I couldn’t be happier. Thank you for your kind message <3
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